Thoughts about the Future of the Chaos and Complex Systems Discussion Group

Clint Sprott

January 27, 2026

It seems prudent that from time to time we assess what our group is doing, what is working well, and what could be improved. Especially with many relatively new members, we should reflect on past goals and history as well as recent trends. As with most complex systems, we need to evolve and self-organize to approach an optimal dynamic state. Accordingly, I have prepared this document as a basis to begin that discussion.

The Chaos and Complex System Seminar began in the Fall of 1994 under the leadership of Prof. Blake LeBaron in the Economics Department and myself in the Physics Department with the support of John Wiley who was then Dean of the Graduate School. The goal was to identify researchers on campus working on chaotic and complex systems, and bring them together on a regular basis to exchange ideas and develop interdisciplinary collaborations modeled after the Santa Fe Institute in New Mexico.

During the first academic year, we had talks by 16 local researchers who had expressed interest in the endeavor and 8 prominent outside speakers, most of whom Blake LeBaron had met during his previous sabbatical year at the Santa Fe Institute. John Wiley attended many of the seminars and provided Graduate School funds to pay the expenses of the visitors. Attendance at some of the talks was over 100, but was more typically 25 to 50. Topics and abstracts for these and subsequent talks are on our web page. For the first year, most seminars were held in 8417 Social Science Building, after which we moved permanently to 4274 Chamberlin Hall to be closer to the center of mass of the speakers and audience. 

In the second year, we approached John Wiley for additional funding to continue inviting outside speakers but were told that the previous funding was seed money and that we were expected to procure extramural funding to continue. While debating how to proceed, we continued having talks from local speakers but were exhausting our list of people who had shown interest and whose work fit squarely within the specified topic areas. We also noticed that many of the local scientists who had given talks were not regularly attending the seminars. Then in 1998, Blake LeBaron resigned his position at UW and moved to Brandeis University to be with his wife who had a position at MIT.

On the verge of ending the effort, Robin Chapman of the Communicative Disorders Department, who had been attending the seminars, stepped forward and volunteered to help keep the them going by finding more local speakers. However, we had to greatly broaden the definition of who we considered to be a chaos or complex systems researcher. Under those relaxed constraints, we found it easy to recruit speakers from sources like the Experts Database and UW in the News and suggestions from seminar participants, and we had about 600 talks from over 60 campus departments during the next 20 years with attendance ranging from about 10 to 50. However, the original group of researchers attended even less often because the topics were of less interest, but they were replaced by students and members of the public, mostly retirees, who had heard about the interesting seminars that were announced in the University Events Calendar and elsewhere.

One of those people was Myrna Casebolt, a retired clinical psychologist. Sometime around 2005, she commented that we had a mainly passive audience who interacted mostly in a 5- or 10-minute discussion period at the end of the talk and then dispersed, sometimes never to be seen again. She suggested a longer more informal discussion, not accompanied by a formal lecture. Thus began the summer discussions on the Memorial Union Terrace under Myrna's leadership, where many of us became acquainted on a personal level for the first time. At the end of each academic year, we made a list of topics chosen from talks heard during the year to discuss over the summer, sometimes with the speaker present. Anyone who came with an agenda or launched into a diatribe on any topic was quickly silenced and occasionally encouraged not to return. In 2015, we decided to make the discussions slightly more formal by having an announced topic, a facilitator, and a web-accessible reading or video. We continued alternating summer discussions on the Terrace with formal talks on campus during the academic year. Both formats had strengths and weaknesses, but they nicely reinforced one another. The talks provided a constant stream of new people and ideas, while the discussions allowed us to delve more deeply into the topics and get better acquainted with one another. Then COVID-19 hit, and everything changed.

At the start of the COVID hiatus, we set up an on-line discussion group, to which 29 people eventually subscribed, but it was lightly used. After the year-long hiatus, we began to discuss if or how we should resume the meetings. Neither Robin nor I felt we had the energy to continue recruiting weekly speakers, and Myrna was reluctant to continue organizing the summer sessions for health reasons and asked if anyone was willing to take over. To his credit, for which we should all be thankful, Peter Sobol volunteered, and we decided to continue the summer discussions for the entire calendar year. The regular seminar room in Chamberlin Hall was not ideally configured for group discussions and was being converted into a lab, and so we moved inside to a free room in the Union once it became too cold to meet outdoors. We also changed the name from C&CS Seminar to C&CS Discussion Group. Peter has done a superb job for the past 5 years picking topics, keeping us on time and on topic, and encouraging everyone to participate in the discussion. A number of new people joined us during this period. That brings us up to the present.

From our email list of 115 former participants who requested weekly announcements, we now have a core group of about a dozen people who attend the discussions regularly with occasional surprise visitors who are enthusiastically welcomed. Most of the group are elderly male retirees, and none are currently employed by or are students at the University. Apparently the campus scientists and students who previously attended the seminars and summer discussions are disinclined to traipse down to the Union, especially in the dead of winter, or perhaps they do not find the topics sufficiently relevant or do not like the format of the meetings. The discussion topics, while broadly interesting, now stray even further from the original scope of chaos and complex systems, encompassing basically anything that the group finds interesting. Members usually come to the discussions well prepared, and the discussions are lively, occasionally heated but respectful, with a wide range of views expressed. Sometimes we veer into areas that were previously considered taboo. We now know one another well enough that we can usually predict others' views on most topics. There are very few topics that have not been discussed, and some have been discussed multiple times. We rarely have experts on the topics present at the meeting. It is interesting from a dynamical systems point of view how we have morphed into the exact opposite of what we originally aspired to be. Rather than an open group of campus scientists discussing their research with colleagues from other departments, we have become a mostly closed group of retirees discussing current events and issues.

During the post-COVID years, I continued looking for a room closer to the center of research activities and classrooms on campus that is well-configured for our discussions and that has good audio-visual capabilities and the option of video-streaming our discussions, which several former members of the group had requested, and to avoid the $75/week fee that the Union now charges. These charges are being paid from a gift donation by Clarence Clay, a deceased geophysics professor and former participant in the seminars. The gift money was previously used for invited speakers and for refreshments, and it will be exhausted in 100 weeks at the Union, after which it will be harder for us to do anything that requires funding. In January of this year, what seemed like the perfect room in 3290 Chamberlin Hall became available, but the current core group members by a vote of 7 to 3 preferred to remain at the Union, primarily for more convenient parking. Other former participants voted with their feet.

Here are some questions, in no particular order, that could form the basis for a discussion of ways to improve what we are doing:
  1. Should we put any limits on what constitutes an appropriate discussion topic?
  2. Should we be seeking participation of active university researchers?
  3. Are we becoming too inbred by having limited input from non-core members?
  4. Would we benefit from more formal talks by campus scientists?
  5. Are we in danger of aging out by not recruiting more students and young people?
  6. Would we like to have tours of some the research facilities on campus?
  7. Should we employ video conferencing to enable remote participation?
  8. What is the optimal size for the group?
  9. Why is our on-line discussion group so little used, and should we change that?
  10. Is the Memorial Union the best venue for our meetings?